An Interview with Dr. Judith Reisman
Melody Harrison Bergman, Public Relations for the National Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation, recently interviewed Judith Reisman and her colleague, Mary McAlister, Senior Litigation Counsel, Liberty Counsel, at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. Melody also maintains a personal blog at MamaCrossroads. (View her related editorial here.)
Dr. Judith Reisman is an internationally renowned researcher and author, historian and teacher. Her work fighting child sexual exploitation and deconstructing the ‘Kinsey myths’ spans more than three decades. Dr. Reisman will be speaking at the 2015 CESE Summit in Orlando this September.
*WARNING: Alfred Kinsey’s “research” may be–and should be!–disturbing to readers. Proceed to Kinsey-related external links with caution.*
Melody/BOW: How does the role of education play into the feminist movement and the sexual exploitation of minors?
Dr. Reisman: I’m not sure what you mean by “feminists.”
Mary: Do you mean overmedicating little boys for ADHD? That’s one of the effects I have seen. In reality, feminists complained because they said the classroom was a “hostile environment.” The boys were too smart. So they medicated the boys and made them more docile, which resulted in classrooms where the girls feel smarter than the boys. Then the girls are the leaders. They don’t need the boys. And they grow up into women who don’t need men.
Melody/BOW: What effect will the new Common Core Sexuality Education standards put forth by the Sex Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) have on the children?
Dr. Reisman: SIECUS was established by Mary Calderone, who was originally the medical director for Planned Parenthood, and it was formed at the Kinsey Institute. The plan was always to have the Kinsey Institute provide the “research base” and SIECUS provide the “education system.” Also, Playboy was a major source of funding in the beginning in order to help along the “sex education” process and produce consumers for the magazine.
Melody/BOW: What are the key factors involved in the rise of sexual exploitation in children?
Dr. Reisman: Money and big pharmacology. Can we think of anything else?
Dr. Reisman: Well, that’s money … and big pharmacology.
Mary: It also goes back to Kinsey’s conclusion that children are sexual from birth and are eager participants in sexual activity from the beginning—and that if they’re only “helped” they are going to enjoy it. And therefore, we need to get rid of ages of consent and laws against rape; we need to normalize pedophilia; we need to do all of these things, because children are sexual creatures and should not be repressed.
Melody: Even though in Kinsey’s literature, children’s “orgasms” are explained using terms like “screaming” and “convulsions” and “pain”?
Dr. Reisman: Yes, because that’s orgasm.
Mary: And it’s actually pleasure.
Dr. Reisman: Yes, which Fifty Shades of Grey has also explained: that pain is pleasure, and pleasure is pain.
Melody: So, it all comes back to Kinsey?
Dr. Reisman: Yes!
Melody: In your opinion, do we need to pull our children out of public schools?
Dr. Reisman: Well, yes, I would definitely try to pull the kids out. It’s everywhere in public schools. Even in math!
Dr. Reisman: No. I don’t think it will solve the problem.
Mary: But it all comes back to parental control. The parent is the one that needs to set boundaries regarding what is appropriate,
not the school.
Dr. Reisman: Right. The minute the school says, “We’re going to ‘help’ you” or “We’re going to educate you about sex and ‘what to do,’” that should be a warning sign.
Melody: You believe parents should be the ones teaching these things?
Dr. Reisman: Yes.
Melody: So, you support parental rights. You believe schools should be sustaining the parents’ agenda, not the other way around.
Dr. Reisman: Exactly. I always said that the M.O.M. and the D.A.D. are the most important credentials. The minute you introduce PhDs and BA’s and Master’s degrees—that is when we start involving other people who have all been trained to believe a different way. And as a result, they are going to push their own agendas. Because they are ‘smart.’ They have the degree! They think, “You’re just a mom,” or “You’re just a dad … What do you know?” And I believe they know in their deepest soul that they’re wrong. And so they have to convince people all the more. But … this is a massive attack we’re under. And people are damaged. So there are no easy answers. I wish I could give you easy answers.
Dr. Reisman: I’m still trying to figure out what you meant by “feminists” in the first question.
Melody: Well, I guess the feminists we’re talking about here are actually “maternal feminists.” These feminists, including groups like Big Ocean Women, are moms. And they want respect and recognition because of the role they’ve chosen to play—building homes and children, building the next generation. They don’t think they should be looked down upon or blasted for it.
Dr. Reisman: Oh, yes! Are they with Women of the World?
Melody: Yes, Big Ocean Women are also linked with Women of the World. They recently joined forces before the launch of their International Statement in Brussels earlier this month.
Dr. Reisman: Wonderful!
Melody: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) claims that a New Humanism will bring peace to the world. Do you believe this theology will help or hurt children and the family?
Dr. Reisman: UNESCO is anti-child. Does that answer your question?
Melody: UNICEF mentions family dysfunction as an underlying cause of commercial sexual exploitation and that education and schools can give children the tools they need to avoid commercial sexual exploitation. In your opinion, can government-managed education solve this problem?
Dr. Reisman: UNICEF is anti-child. They would propose a set-up that would allow the child to be used in trafficking—legally—in child prostitution, in pornography, in every way.
Melody: As a commodity.
Dr. Reisman: Yes. Read the small print.
Melody: Will children who spend their educational hours in front of a computer screen be more vulnerable to pornography?
Dr. Reisman: Yes, of course. They shouldn’t be in front of a computer screen anyway, except for just limited—tiny—amounts of time. No, it’s a mistake.
Melody: Tell us your feelings about technology replacing parents. Is that what you’re talking about?
Dr. Reisman: I’m actually talking about a lot of things. I’m talking about the computer screen replacing parents, of course—replacing time with their siblings, replacing everything. Here is my opinion regarding television …
I worked for television for years. When my kids were growing up, I decided I didn’t like it that much. I only allowed them to watch an hour at night after they had finished their chores and their homework, but it still bothered me. So, I said, “Oops, the TV is broken!” And then I gave them a choice. I told them we could either buy a kiln and do pottery together or pay for the TV to be repaired. They chose the kiln, so we got rid of the TV.
Over the next eight years, it was amazing to see what happened. As it turned out, the time that they had been spending watching television was prime time. But we traded in the prime time for TV and got prime time with the family instead. I found that they did things that they ordinarily wouldn’t do. After their homework was done, they were reading things that were worth reading or practicing the violin. And they didn’t practice because they had to hurry to get to the TV. It made all the difference in the world.
You know, in the 18th century when Jane Austen was writing, her books were the most popular books of the time. Everybody read them. They quoted them. And Shakespeare! People knew and quoted his plays. What do we do now? What? We quote Fifty Shades of Grey? No … it’s a mess now. But there’s nothing I can do about that. The first thing is just to help people understand how sexually broken they are. Well, I can do that. From there, I hope maybe some kind of thought process will reinstate itself.
The other point about pornography that nobody really mentions is that it is all about fear. All pornography goes directly from the eye to the back of the brain, the visual cortex, down the central nervous system, into the genitals, their target organs. Along the way, there is high arousal. It’s not arousal about sex. It’s arousal about fear and terror. That’s what gives people the ‘high.’
Melody: The ‘rush.’
Dr. Reisman: Yes. Especially when you are young and you don’t know anything—most adults don’t either—you think that’s what sex and love is. Because your wiped out with fear and terror. Why? Why do you feel fear and terror? Because you’re threatened at your very core.
I realized that when I learned about a loving couple I knew. The wife came to me one day and told me that she and her husband had gone to see a “dirty movie” the night before. “We went and saw this dirty movie,” she said, “and I was more aroused by the dirty movie than I am by John. So I thought to myself, ‘I guess I don’t love John anymore.’ I guess I just don’t love him.” And he felt the same way: “I guess I don’t love my wife because I’m more aroused by a movie.”
Well, if you’re being aroused by the porn, you’re being threatened. You’re being aroused by adrenalin, not love. If it were just sex, then being with a human being—being with your wife—would arouse you more. Do you understand that?
Melody: Yes, I do. It’s something that I, being a survivor of sexual abuse, can’t wrap my head around. Because for me it’s terrorizing. Pornography and violence have destroyed pieces of me that I can’t reconstruct. And so the concept that people would purposely go searching for them, seek them out, and use them? Abuse other people—or watch other people being abused—for pleasure? I can’t wrap my mind around it.
Dr. Reisman: I’ve talked to incest survivors who said the one thing they couldn’t handle was that an arousal took place when everything was going on.
Dr. Reisman: And they blame themselves. They thought there was something wrong with them because of that arousal. But that arousal was fear! Enormous, overwhelming—it’s fight or flight!
Melody: Well, I don’t know how it is for other survivors, but it was very closely tied in with violence for me. It wasn’t a normal, healthy sexual relationship. It was accompanied with physical abuse and predatory behaviors.
Dr. Reisman: So yours was pretty clear.
Melody: Right. I just don’t understand BDSM and how people are seeking to arouse that fear …
Dr. Reisman: Adrenalin.
Melody: Right. They are seeking that adrenalin to try to arouse themselves sexually. I don’t understand how … It’s just so terrorizing to me. But that seems to be what people are going for now. And that’s what is selling and that’s what is in the mainstream, and it’s just getting more and more prevalent. It’s not taboo anymore.
Dr. Reisman: True.
Melody: It is the mainstream.
Melody: What role does the family play in stopping exploitation?
Dr. Reisman: Well, they have to stop the use of pornography in their own homes, to begin with.
You know, the whole point was always to take out the husband—to take out the man. Men were supposed to protect their wives and their families … and their country too. So, you destroy the man! You destroy the man by getting him addicted to—not even addicted—just even using pornography.
Truthfully, I don’t like to use the word ‘addicted’ mainly because that clears the use of it. Right? You hear people say, “He’s not ‘addicted.’ He just ‘uses’ it sometimes.” A person only has to see a picture once to decide he wants to imitate it. Homosexuality comes to mind …
For instance, one time a homosexual man drove me home from a lecture I gave. While we were driving, I asked him when his first homosexual experience occurred. He told me he was 19, but I thought that was a little late for homosexuality, so I continued to probe. So I asked him, “Did you have pornography in your home growing up?” And he said yes. I asked him where it was, and he said his parents kept it in a stack in the front closet. I asked him if his mother was okay with that, and he said yes, he thought so. (We find, by the way, that whatever the mother tolerated in the house, the next generation went one worse. So, if the mother tolerated Playboy, then the sons would be into Penthouse. If the mom tolerated Penthouse, the sons were into Hustler. If the moms tolerated Hustler, then it’s ‘open sesame.’)
So we continued to talk about the dynamics in the home, and as it turns out, this young man had an older brother who also used the pornography. (And remember, all this time, the man is driving me home.) And I asked him, “Well, did he ever act out pornography in any way?” And he said, “Well, I don’t know. He used to come into my room and climb on me in the bed …”
Melody: But that doesn’t count?
Dr. Reisman: Yes, exactly! But that doesn’t count. And he said all this was going on when he was about 3 or 4 years old. And I asked him, “Now is this the same brother that is always calling you a ‘dirty f*g’?” And he said yes, it was the same brother. And I said to him, “You know, it seems that your first sexual experience was actually earlier than 19,” and he said, “Yeah, I guess he did do some funny things.” I told him: “It seems to me that your first homosexual experience was actually when you were about 3 or 4, and it was with your brother.” And the man just pulled the car over to the side of the road and cried.
Melody: Everything happens in the home, right? We, as mothers, are at the crossroads. So, what can the family do to stop exploitation?
Dr. Reisman: Well, keep your kids out of school if you can! We’ve come to a place where this is in the air. It’s in our skin, in the clothing. It’s in what we wear. It’s .. to be aware of everything and to take a position loud and clear on all things and try to know everything that your kids are seeing … and to run for local office and school boards! And read Charlotte’s books, and visit her website because she’s really the source to go to for all information on Common Core
Melody: So, what we really need to do is educate ourselves.
Dr. Reisman: Definitely, yes!